Lena Dunham and Jenni Konner Break Down a ‘Girls’ Series Finale

This talk contains tract sum for a array culmination of “Girls,” that aired Sunday night.


“Girls” finished tonight with “Latching,” an partial that skipped 5 months into a destiny to uncover us Hannah (Lena Dunham) with her baby baby child Grover. In serve to a pretentious deployment of Tracy Chapman’s “Fast Car,” a partial (which is discussed serve in this vicious dialogue) offers adult a glance of what flourishing adult competence demeanour like for these characters — privately Hannah and Marnie (Allison Williams), who are vital together upstate and operative on breastfeeding habits. It’s tough to suppose a some-more opposite environment from a initial partial of “Girls,” that framed Hannah in a unequivocally opposite light. “Latching” was co-written by Dunham, Konner, and Judd Apatow, all executive producers on a show, and destined by Konner. Variety spoke to Konner and Dunham about 6 seasons of operative together, selecting how to bid farewell to Hannah, and a special and deeply appreciated talents of Becky Ann Baker, a singer who has played Hannah’s mom Loreen for a show’s whole run.

Jenni, we destined this partial and Lena, we were personification being a new mom with this infant. Tell me a small bit about that experience, carrying a baby on set — we know we guys have had a baby on set before.

Jenni Konner: We’ve never had two. We’ve never had twin infants on set in all kinds of opposite roles.

Lena Dunham: Yeah, you have to have twins since babies can work can work for approximately dual mins during a time.

Konner: Yeah. Two mins during a time. we consider it’s 20 mins sum a day.

Dunham: Jenni is a full baby whisperer, so we have to contend she was like — we don’t suppose that when Scorsese has an infant, he’s like rocking it between takes. We’d always be like, do we need a baby wrangler to come in? Jenni was like, I’ve got this. She was entirely holding a baby and when she wasn’t holding a baby, Allison (Williams) and we had a baby each. It was a unequivocally baby-amenable expel form of thing. There was a lot we had to ask Jenni since we haven’t had a child.

Konner: There were copiousness of relatives around to ask things of.

Dunham: we had a unequivocally extraordinary review — one of a writers, Murray Miller, had a baby while we were shooting. we got on a phone with his mom and we talked for an hour and a half. we literally pronounced like, What does your physique feel like right now? What is stressing we out a most? Are we sleeping well? I usually had to ask her any singular doubt that seemed applicable. Then it was substantially a many actressy thing I’ve ever done, is ask that many physique questions.

The pregnancy and birth story is so matched to “Girls,” that is so about carrying a physique that feels uncanny in this world. This whole deteriorate has been building to this baby. Why was this pregnancy plotline critical to we both?

Dunham: It’s funny, I’ve listened a few people have an emanate with a suspicion like, Why did it take a baby for Hannah to finally grow up? I was like, “It takes a baby for a lot of people to grow up.” It takes carrying someone who depends on we and who needs we — whose needs we have to place before your possess — to unequivocally know what’s important. we adore that we forked out a earthy aspect of it since that is so … Jenni was so clever in a finale, about when she would mount there with hair and makeup while they embellished these small widen outlines on me, or fit a a prosthetic lactation nipples.

I remember a initial day we walked onto a set with that prosthetic to do my sex stage with Adam [Driver]. we was in front of a crew, who — we could get exposed in front of them any time of a day — and we literally started to rip up, since we felt so opposite and so embarrassed. It was a really, unequivocally absolute thing, since my physique felt so out of control. This is personal, yet that we consider is important, that is like — we have been open about a fact that we was traffic with uterine and gynecological health issues this year, and something we unequivocally try to daub into was a feeling of — we know this is opposite than carrying a child, since a child is fun and a child provides we with something — yet a feeling of your physique feeling visitor to you, or losing control of it, was unequivocally benefaction for me. That is substantially a initial time I’ve ever … I’ve never been, like, method-y, or suspicion about my grandma dying. That was a initial time that my possess life and my behaving life have had such a close, inter-linking thing.

Even a breastfeeding plotline is about this physicality.

Dunham: Yeah. We weren’t, as we know, as I’m certain we can tell, we weren’t perplexing to come down on pro or opposite breastfeeding or what’s improved or what’s not. It was some-more about Hannah’s expectancy of herself, and of her child, and a approach in that she would feel so away if that didn’t work out now for her.

It astounded me that Marnie showed adult during a commencement of a partial wanting to be her live-in best friend. Tell me about this being where we leave her.

Konner: Well, we leave here there, yet we don’t consider she’s staying for long.

Dunham: No. We try to kind of indicate in that final conversation, that she understands that this can’t be her life forever. She does, in partial seven, she fundamentally surrenders and says, I have nothing. I’ve caused this. She doesn’t have a marriage, she’s doesn’t have an apartment, she’s vital with her mother.

She’s indeed in a primary place. Marnie has always been a small bit of an ambulance chaser — someone who finished herself feel useful by determining other people. That’s a disastrous spin. The certain spin is that a executive adore story of this show, in many ways, has been Marnie and Hannah. That Marnie loves Hannah adequate to feel that being there for her is partial of her pursuit on this planet.

That scene, where she’s we theory FaceTiming?

Dunham: Her erotic FaceTime with Brad Morris.

Which is not masturbating. She wants to be unequivocally clear.

Konner: Yeah. She’s lying, yet yeah. Just to be unequivocally clear.

Dunham: She’s not jerking off. we laughed so tough when Jenni wrote in Loreen (Becky Ann Baker) regulating a tenure “jerking off.” For some reason women observant “jerking off” is so funny, and a lady in her 60s observant “jerking off” is even funnier. Then Jenni was like, “Let’s make her demeanour like unequivocally like usually showered.” She’s like, me? we wasn’t jerking off. I don’t know why, we was examination and it was usually f—king slaying me so hard.

Loreen has altered a lot, too, from a initial partial to this one. She’s tough as nails in a finale.

Konner: Well, she’s always been unequivocally tough, yet we consider a divorce unequivocally pennyless her, and she’s usually creeping her approach out. we consider in a lot of ways, she and Marnie are arrange of in a same place — and they’ve finally taken shortcoming for what’s happened to them, and they’re perplexing to figure out who they are. In my opinion, we consider Becky Ann should win an Emmy this year. we consider her opening in these episodes is so relocating and so beautiful. we have to tell you, we schooled so many from her about a qualification usually examination her and articulate to her. Directing her is over a pleasure.

Lena, what has it been like for we to contend goodbye to your character’s mom, your behaving mom?

Dunham: Oh, don’t contend that. It was unequivocally emotional. I’ve pronounced this before — I’ve schooled some-more about behaving from Becky than we have from anybody else on a planet. we don’t consider she knows that she has entirely been my teacher. From a initial day we went on set together, we usually saw how delicately she modulated her performance, how courteous she was, how extraordinary she was.

She was usually a f—king super rarely honed appurtenance and we was always examination her and when we was directing her, we was examination her, and when we was behaving with her, we was examination her. She’s usually distinct anyone else. Saying goodbye to her didn’t usually feel like observant goodbye to a crony or a stage partner. It felt like a finish of connoisseur propagandize or something.

Actually, a night before they wrapped, Becky, Alison, and we all took a yoga category together, and it was somehow this implausible — ot was in a uncanny corporate discussion room during a hotel. By a finish of it, Becky and we looked during any other and we were usually … we don’t even know if I’ve told we this, Jenni. We were usually both crying.

Konner: I would put her in anything in a universe any day of a life.

So tell me a small bit about how we motionless who Hannah’s baby was going to be. Why a mixed-race baby? Why “Grover”?

Konner: Well, a Grover thing happened since Lena came in one day and said, “I consider his name is Grover.” We were all like, great. That seems to work. He will be a usually Grover in his class, yet it’s also not as furious as like a luminary baby name. Somewhere it’s arrange of normal in some way. Then we wanted to bond Riz [Ahmed] to that name, and have it be that impression have a partial that would continue on with him in a baby’s life, even yet he motionless he didn’t wish to be a partial of a baby’s life. We gave him a line to consider of Grover — and even yet we consider Grover Cleveland is some-more a famous Grover, we consider Riz’s character, as Lena forked out, substantially was meditative of a “Sesame Street” Grover.

Dunham: Also and in terms of a since a mixed-race thing, not to be coy, yet it’s like that, since it was Riz and my baby.

Konner: Yeah, it was a casting of a father.

Dunham: We saw him on “The Night Of” and we usually fell so deeply in adore with him. We usually felt like, that is a face of a chairman who … we indispensable someone who could sell a suspicion that we would be happy to keep this person’s child since he’s beautiful, he’s lovely, he has a good energy.

Konner: He’s positive.

Dunham: I remember something Riz sole me amazingly on “Night Of” was like, even as his impression did these horrific things, he had this radiant demeanour to him where we were usually like praying for him during any moment. There was something about his face that really, we think, spoke to us — and felt like those same qualities were going to be unequivocally extraordinary in a chairman who finished adult being a father of Hannah’s baby. Then he became a Internet’s series one vanquish and a rest is history.

I told Jenni a other night that we attempted to Google him — we attempted to Google something about him, since he’d finished a opening and we wanted to see it. The initial title was like, “See Riz Ahmed make adore to a red carpet.” we texted him. we was like, heard we were creation adore to a red carpet. He was like, so pennyless they held me doing that!

You get to content a internet’s crush!

Dunham: Oh yeah. It’s a Internet’s many hated side dog texting a Internet’s favorite crush.

So since does Hannah have a boy?

Konner: I usually felt like it was like one step weirdly some-more alienating for Hannah.

Dunham: I don’t consider I’ve ever pronounced this to we Jenni…

Konner: Yeah. we consider I’ve ever pronounced what we usually pronounced to you.

Dunham: No. What we pronounced is accurately right. we also consider that we substantially both consider this — that is, there is a partial of me that always thinks Hannah has had a flattering poisonous attribute to masculinity. Her masculine relationships. All her relations are complicated, yet her masculine relations are super difficult — and she clearly had a unequivocally difficult thing with her father since of a secrets that she knew about him and she keeps. And there is a approach in that we wish that her carrying Grover is going to assistance her to harmonize her perspective, in a way, and turn a small bit some-more aligned with a suspicion that there can be group in your life who are pleasing and protected and required and right.

Like Jenni. we see Jenni’s attribute with her son and we always suspicion when we was younger — literally there’s a line in a uncover where Hannah is like, If we don’t have a lady or a gayest child in this world, I’m going to fire myself in a head. That was how we always felt. we was like, I wish a kid, yet if we can’t pledge it’s female, afterwards what’s a f—king point?

Now that we see Jenni’s attribute with her son and becomes so tighten with him myself, it’s totally non-stop adult this other thing for me. we come from a family of all women and it’s like, not to exaggerate it, yet it’s like it’s a unequivocally romantic thing to me to see what that attribute looks like.

Konner: Well, that’s like — my thing is I’m always like, oh white group are ruining everything, and Max’s father is like… don’t contend that in front of your son.

Dunham: Yeah, he’s like, you have a good 10-year-old white male vital during your house.


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